There IS a fragment of truth in that the queer community can sometimes be exclusionary (we're neither perfect, nor a monolith) and that rejecting someone with different political views based only on a denomination may not be the most productive. Those are real issues that, on the margins, can indeed hurt people or drive them away when they need the community, or when we could use them as allies.
However, there's a bit of a scale there. It's one thing to not support the same economic policies or to disagree on fine points on immigration. But if you're straight up racist (9/11 ? really ?) or transphobic (trans kids' rights matter too), like these women? Miss us with that shit. We will not show tolerance for YOUR intolerance. It is more than a little disturbing to hear them echo hateful talking points, and frankly disgusting that one of them actually points to conversion therapy for trans kids. Yeah, because that worked SO well for LGB people, didn't it "Laura"?
I also wish they realized that "we can just fight to get gay marriage again", while true in a vacuum, is INCREDIBLY self-centered and coming from a place of privilege. In the decade or two that it could take to restore that right, how many people will be hurt and denied? And that's assuming their president doesn't outright install himself as a dictator and makes it impossible to fight for these rights to begin with, at least on a legal standing.
Tl;dr: while one's sexual orientation or gender identity does not, on its own, define one's political views, the right's stances on those has made it pretty unambiguous that supporting them as anyone but a white straight cis man means being complicit in destroying civil rights for you and your whole community.
If you're on the right, you don't actually care about your rights. Or you're privileged enough to think that surely the leopards won't eat your face. Here's a bit of a spoiler: they will.
First off, you can be a lesbian or gay or republican or democrat but when you start calling Democrats terrorists because they believe in equal rights for everybody that’s just bullshit. Also a conservative lesbian who disagrees with getting a Covid shot is just plain stupid. You can disagree about whether you like coffee or not but when it comes to science, if you don’t agree with it, you’re just stupid.
So I still can’t see how anybody can be a lesbian and support the only party in this country who would like to see all of them exterminated — their words, not mine.
This may have had some merit back in the good old days when Republicans “only” flirted with fascism, and “only” sought to make sure uppity queers quieted down. But if you support THIS Republican Party and god forbid TRUMP? Sorry if you feel sad, but that’s what you get for bedding down with Nazi sympathizers and people who want to exterminate trans people. Bye!
I’m not spending time with anybody who doesn’t agree that equal rights are for everyone. If you share an identity with me (queer) but don’t understand intersectionality, you aren’t a good person, and rights once lost do not return. Don’t trade on your sexuality and expect people to like you when you vote for the kind of people who would see our community eliminated.
This was interesting. I'd never thought that ones sexual identity had anything to do with politics! I know that politics WANTS to have everything to do with a persons sexuality. I guess that's how the world has turned. To most people if they meet a person who claims another identity sexually they wouldn't think to ask "Oh yes and which team are you on politically?" Why is it even issue of sexuality. What I mean is that straight people don't want to be with somebody on the other side politically because American politics is so fraught. Are you sure it's not your sexuality that's bugging them but simply your politics?
Politics is violence when those elected enact policies that discriminate and kill queer people worldwide. The fact that you did not know that ones politics and ones sexual orientation and gender identity had anything to do with politics is your incredible privilege.
I have never been allowed to live under such an illusion.
I get your point Felyxia. But then why do some people actually vote for someone who's politics endanger you with their policies? Maybe queer Conservatives should vote for A PERSON who says I won't endanger you, instead of a Party that does. Frankly I believe there needs to be a 3rd party in the US. One that champions all the people in the country and doesn't divide them into categories. Have you checked out the Working Family's Party (WFP) I saw an interview with their president on the Lets Address This on a substack hosted by Qasim Rashid.
Politics IS violence. Hundreds of thousands have died because usaid was shut down. This is a direct result of the election and many more queer and brown people have lost thier livelihoods, access to healthcare, and government protections that ensured we could not be legally discriminated against.
So many women have died as a DIRECT RESULT of this election and the decades of republican propaganda shoved down our throats since we were little girls.
Fuck these self hating bigots and this this fascist apologist bs.
Having some conservative views, whatever, voting for a party that actively wants to eliminate your rights or thinks you can be "cured", I don't get it.
There IS a fragment of truth in that the queer community can sometimes be exclusionary (we're neither perfect, nor a monolith) and that rejecting someone with different political views based only on a denomination may not be the most productive. Those are real issues that, on the margins, can indeed hurt people or drive them away when they need the community, or when we could use them as allies.
However, there's a bit of a scale there. It's one thing to not support the same economic policies or to disagree on fine points on immigration. But if you're straight up racist (9/11 ? really ?) or transphobic (trans kids' rights matter too), like these women? Miss us with that shit. We will not show tolerance for YOUR intolerance. It is more than a little disturbing to hear them echo hateful talking points, and frankly disgusting that one of them actually points to conversion therapy for trans kids. Yeah, because that worked SO well for LGB people, didn't it "Laura"?
I also wish they realized that "we can just fight to get gay marriage again", while true in a vacuum, is INCREDIBLY self-centered and coming from a place of privilege. In the decade or two that it could take to restore that right, how many people will be hurt and denied? And that's assuming their president doesn't outright install himself as a dictator and makes it impossible to fight for these rights to begin with, at least on a legal standing.
Tl;dr: while one's sexual orientation or gender identity does not, on its own, define one's political views, the right's stances on those has made it pretty unambiguous that supporting them as anyone but a white straight cis man means being complicit in destroying civil rights for you and your whole community.
If you're on the right, you don't actually care about your rights. Or you're privileged enough to think that surely the leopards won't eat your face. Here's a bit of a spoiler: they will.
First off, you can be a lesbian or gay or republican or democrat but when you start calling Democrats terrorists because they believe in equal rights for everybody that’s just bullshit. Also a conservative lesbian who disagrees with getting a Covid shot is just plain stupid. You can disagree about whether you like coffee or not but when it comes to science, if you don’t agree with it, you’re just stupid.
So I still can’t see how anybody can be a lesbian and support the only party in this country who would like to see all of them exterminated — their words, not mine.
they should put their money where their mouth is and exterminate themselves
They could exterminate themselves, but then the Republicans would just try to blame it on Joe Biden or Hillary.
This may have had some merit back in the good old days when Republicans “only” flirted with fascism, and “only” sought to make sure uppity queers quieted down. But if you support THIS Republican Party and god forbid TRUMP? Sorry if you feel sad, but that’s what you get for bedding down with Nazi sympathizers and people who want to exterminate trans people. Bye!
I’m not spending time with anybody who doesn’t agree that equal rights are for everyone. If you share an identity with me (queer) but don’t understand intersectionality, you aren’t a good person, and rights once lost do not return. Don’t trade on your sexuality and expect people to like you when you vote for the kind of people who would see our community eliminated.
Here comes that tiny tear in the corner of my eye for people who work against their own and interests of others.
This was interesting. I'd never thought that ones sexual identity had anything to do with politics! I know that politics WANTS to have everything to do with a persons sexuality. I guess that's how the world has turned. To most people if they meet a person who claims another identity sexually they wouldn't think to ask "Oh yes and which team are you on politically?" Why is it even issue of sexuality. What I mean is that straight people don't want to be with somebody on the other side politically because American politics is so fraught. Are you sure it's not your sexuality that's bugging them but simply your politics?
Politics is violence when those elected enact policies that discriminate and kill queer people worldwide. The fact that you did not know that ones politics and ones sexual orientation and gender identity had anything to do with politics is your incredible privilege.
I have never been allowed to live under such an illusion.
I get your point Felyxia. But then why do some people actually vote for someone who's politics endanger you with their policies? Maybe queer Conservatives should vote for A PERSON who says I won't endanger you, instead of a Party that does. Frankly I believe there needs to be a 3rd party in the US. One that champions all the people in the country and doesn't divide them into categories. Have you checked out the Working Family's Party (WFP) I saw an interview with their president on the Lets Address This on a substack hosted by Qasim Rashid.
This is absurd.
Politics IS violence. Hundreds of thousands have died because usaid was shut down. This is a direct result of the election and many more queer and brown people have lost thier livelihoods, access to healthcare, and government protections that ensured we could not be legally discriminated against.
So many women have died as a DIRECT RESULT of this election and the decades of republican propaganda shoved down our throats since we were little girls.
Fuck these self hating bigots and this this fascist apologist bs.
Having some conservative views, whatever, voting for a party that actively wants to eliminate your rights or thinks you can be "cured", I don't get it.