Hate the sin but love the sinner. I am the sinner. My sin is not an act, performance or a deed I commit. My sin is my existence.
So you can't love me and hate my existence. But then again this old cliche never really amounted to much anyway. That's really an excuse for these types of Christians to abuse you while allowing themselves to think their motivation is honorable.
It's important for these fundamentalist sects of Christianity to keep you in sin consciousness. That you're constantly aware that you're a fallen creature in need of God's grace and without it you are headed for hell. How many times can you be eternally saved? To them they're constantly in the 'God loves me he loves me not' status. That's the way their leaders like to keep them.
Jesus said come to me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. If you read the quotes of Jesus, just the red parts in your Bible, there on the shelf. You find he was not exclusionary but very inclusionary. No need to debate really just to point out the hypocrisy of the Christian right and of the entire right wing agenda.
I truly appreciate this interview, and recently I had a similar discussion like it. It seems to me that people who are like minded with this bar owner, sexualize anybody who is not a heterosexual Christian (and the right type of Christian, whatever that means to each individual). It appears to me that when they think about the LGBTQIA+ community, they don’t think about people in relationships, they focus on people having sex. And when they consider their straight fellowship, they think about people in relationships, not people having sex. And thus the upsetting factor becomes Relationship vs Sex, and they don’t want their children focused on sex, so this may be how they see the LGBTQIA+ community as being threatening to children.
Also, the bar owner stated that anyone is welcomed into his establishment as long as they (my words) behave well. I wonder about this, as I have seen plenty of fun, silly people at bars, celebrating sports for example, with their shirts open, paint on their chests and their faces, slightly inebriated, and loudly sharing their joy. This is usually regarded as innocent and acceptable. Yet have this same scenario happen with people the bar owner would guess are Queer or Transgender, and it may not be regarded as innocent and acceptable, as the people would be viewed through a sexualized lens. Pride festivals often attract extroverts ready to have a joyful time, and this joy may be viewed as wicked and hedonistic, when sexualized. I wonder if the bar owner, and people who are like minded, realize there are plenty of Queer introverts who do not enjoy Pride events, and are at home gardening and reading, being very well behaved. Are they also sexualized, so that their good behavior doesn’t actually matter?
I would like to hear discussions about sexualizing the LGBTQIA+ community, and what people think about this.
I am so impressed that you did this interview. Well done!
From my point of view, this guy has been indoctrinated and hasn't thought through his positions. It's all emotional. But one point that's probably obvious to everyone: you can't make people love other people. If someone is in a relationship that isn't working, you can't force it to work. And if you can't find someone you really love, you can't. Sometimes you have to settle for someone who's just okay, or for no relationship at all. So saying that children should be in loving homes is all well and good, but it isn't realistic. There just aren't the same number of loving parents that there are children, especially since there aren't very many loving people in the first place of any sexual preference, IMO. I hope this makes sense.
I like the idea (not mine) of a bunch of visibly queer people showing up to hetero awesome fest as strong allies of cis-het peeps
Hate the sin but love the sinner. I am the sinner. My sin is not an act, performance or a deed I commit. My sin is my existence.
So you can't love me and hate my existence. But then again this old cliche never really amounted to much anyway. That's really an excuse for these types of Christians to abuse you while allowing themselves to think their motivation is honorable.
It's important for these fundamentalist sects of Christianity to keep you in sin consciousness. That you're constantly aware that you're a fallen creature in need of God's grace and without it you are headed for hell. How many times can you be eternally saved? To them they're constantly in the 'God loves me he loves me not' status. That's the way their leaders like to keep them.
Jesus said come to me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. If you read the quotes of Jesus, just the red parts in your Bible, there on the shelf. You find he was not exclusionary but very inclusionary. No need to debate really just to point out the hypocrisy of the Christian right and of the entire right wing agenda.
I truly appreciate this interview, and recently I had a similar discussion like it. It seems to me that people who are like minded with this bar owner, sexualize anybody who is not a heterosexual Christian (and the right type of Christian, whatever that means to each individual). It appears to me that when they think about the LGBTQIA+ community, they don’t think about people in relationships, they focus on people having sex. And when they consider their straight fellowship, they think about people in relationships, not people having sex. And thus the upsetting factor becomes Relationship vs Sex, and they don’t want their children focused on sex, so this may be how they see the LGBTQIA+ community as being threatening to children.
Also, the bar owner stated that anyone is welcomed into his establishment as long as they (my words) behave well. I wonder about this, as I have seen plenty of fun, silly people at bars, celebrating sports for example, with their shirts open, paint on their chests and their faces, slightly inebriated, and loudly sharing their joy. This is usually regarded as innocent and acceptable. Yet have this same scenario happen with people the bar owner would guess are Queer or Transgender, and it may not be regarded as innocent and acceptable, as the people would be viewed through a sexualized lens. Pride festivals often attract extroverts ready to have a joyful time, and this joy may be viewed as wicked and hedonistic, when sexualized. I wonder if the bar owner, and people who are like minded, realize there are plenty of Queer introverts who do not enjoy Pride events, and are at home gardening and reading, being very well behaved. Are they also sexualized, so that their good behavior doesn’t actually matter?
I would like to hear discussions about sexualizing the LGBTQIA+ community, and what people think about this.
I am so impressed that you did this interview. Well done!
From my point of view, this guy has been indoctrinated and hasn't thought through his positions. It's all emotional. But one point that's probably obvious to everyone: you can't make people love other people. If someone is in a relationship that isn't working, you can't force it to work. And if you can't find someone you really love, you can't. Sometimes you have to settle for someone who's just okay, or for no relationship at all. So saying that children should be in loving homes is all well and good, but it isn't realistic. There just aren't the same number of loving parents that there are children, especially since there aren't very many loving people in the first place of any sexual preference, IMO. I hope this makes sense.